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Message  mustangii Mar 23 Fév 2010, 01:35

bon j'ai vu dans un autre sujet le 390 groupe 19 ca represente quoi au juste le groupe 19??

les vrais d'AMC vont pouvoir nous répondre prof

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Message  427copoz Mar 23 Fév 2010, 07:29

Salut mustangii

Je ne suis pas un vrai de AMC 390 groupe 19 Icon_razz
Mais je les aime bien pareil

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Au Québec j'ai connu un monsieur
qui avait eu le groupe 19 dans son Rebel The Machine
sont the Machine était d'une autre couleur assez rare
soit bleu ou vert
je ne me souvient plus exactement
de mémoire il m'avait dit qu'il l'avait acheter neuf chez Lestage AMC a St-Rémi de Napierville
R.I.P. Mr R 390 groupe 19 Icon_salut

http://www.matadorcoupe.com/enginespecs.htm

The first company to offer an AMC performance part was Edelbrock. The R4B high-rise aluminum four-barrel intake manifold (part number 448 5729 for 1967-'69 and number 448 8409 for 1970-up) took its place in AMC history. These intakes were sold through the dealers with the part number cast in them and were also offered with out the part number through Edelbrock.

The R4B high-rise aluminum four-barrel manifold has it's roots in Group 19 in AMC history. These intakes were sold through dealers with the part number cast in them and were also offered without the part number thru Edelbrock.

If the R4B wasn't good enough, Edelbrock offered a Cross Ram intake, the Edelbrock STR 11. This dual-carbed, two- piece intake was made of aluminum and had a removable top half. A few hundred were made with the AM part number 448 6228 stamped in them for 1967-'69 and 448 8411 for 1970 and up. Edelbrock also offered them without the part number stamped on them. AMC offered only the intake and linkage, so the carb selection was up to the owner, but anything over about 650 cfm didn't work particularly well. No air cleaner assembly was offered and no provisions were made for the heater hose and control, The intake also did not have an inlet for the brake booster line and didn't have enough vacuum for a power brake unit. These intakes were used on all SS/AMXS.


The Edelbrock STR11 Cross Ram intake is a dual-carbed, two-piece intake made of aluminum which featured a removable top half.
What good is a new intake without a new carb? AMC offered an optional Holley three-barrel carb with vacuum secondaries to replace the Carter AFB. The carb was used for all years and was available as part number 448 5730 or with the R4B and the carb as a set (1967/69 448 5731 and 1970/up 448 8410).

The heat passages needed some work before bolting on the intake because the exhaust gases passed under the intake. This warmed the incoming fuel and operated the automatic choke. Unfortunately, warm fuel in performance driving (i.e. drag racing) doesn't help getting to the end first. To alleviate the problem, AMC offered a special intake manifold gasket to block the passage off (1967-'69 448 8475 and 1970- up 448 8476).

The 290 and 343 had cast ''malleable'' connecting rods which were not exactly performance oriented. For these engines, AMC offered forged connecting rods (number 448 5725). The cranks were made from modular iron, so a special forged steel crankshaft (number 448 5728) was offered, A cam kit was overed that consisted of the cam, pushrods, lifters, double valve springs, seals, keepers, retainers and studs (1967-'69 with standard and four-speed transmission, number 448 6719 and 1970-'71 with standard and four-speed transmission number 448 8413).

The 390 and 401 rods and cranks were forged steel from the factory, All AMC pistons were cast-aluminum. Different compression ratios were achieved by the dish on top. The factory recommended use of forged pistons for performance applications but did not include these parts in the Group 19 parts. They recommended contacting J. E., Venolia, etc., for information. A few 360 four-bolt main blocks were also available as part number 448 8937 in 1970.

The Group 19 cam kit consisted of the cam, pushrods, lifters, double valve springs, seals, keepers, retainers and studs; as wellas a forged crank and heat blocker manifold gasket.

Special performance rocker arms with longer screw-in studs were part of the Group 19 parts. The studs were number 448 7918. The set consisted of keeper nut (448 7987), hold down (448 7988) or rocker arm, keeper nut and hold down under part number 448 7331. A complete set was available as part number 448 7989.

Special performance rocker arms with longer screw-in studs were also part of the Group l9 parts.

A dual-point ignition was not on AMC'S factory list, so that problem was eliminated with the addition of a Mallory dual-point with tach drive (448 8062) or without (448 8049). The complete high-performance ignition system could be ordered as 448 7900 without the mechanical tachometer drive and as 448 7901 with mechanical drive. A special three-piece distributor cap and external condenser was pad of the package. In addition, a Capacitor Discharge Ignition System was offered under part number 448 5742.

A complete high-performance Ignition system could be ordered with or without the mechanical tachometer drive.
ln addition to the high-po ignition system, Group 19 also offered a special capacitor discharge system.

The first thing that most people do to add horsepower to their car is the addition of headers. Although AMC did not offer them directly, it told AMC owners where to buy the headers and assigned part numbers 448 5727 and 448 5726 to them. Jardine, Doug Thorley and Bellanger were the three California firms the factory recommended. AMC also offered a 8.5-quart deep sump oil pan (448 5741) which had to be ordered directly from two California companies, Aviad Metal or Racing Components.

Other special orders in the pads book were a set of heavy duty rear brake drums (448 5736 and 448 5737) or heavy duty front disc brakes with hub and caliper (448 5732 and 448 5733). Rear disc brakes with hub and caliper (448 5734 and 448 5735) were also available. All of these parts could be special ordered from Ronnie Kaplan Engineering. the company that helped build AMCs Trans Am cars. Kaplan also offered a l5x8-inch road wheel, along with American Racing Equipment.

Gears were also overed to improve the quarter-mile times. For 1967, part number 320 8551 got a 4.44:1 gear. For 1968, a 3.73 (448 5749), 3.91 (448 5750), 4.10(320 8546), 4.44(326 9854) and 5.00 (448 6587) could help move AMCS a little faster. But what good are new gears if your car just spins? To help with that problem, a positive-locking differential could be ordered as part number 448 6997.

Group 19 equipment featured a variety of gears to improve the quarter-mile performance.

Although torque links were standard items on AMXs, they were Group 19 parts on the Javelin and V8s such as the SC/Rambler (these could also be used on the Hornet and Gremlin). Special plates were bolted to the frame and part number 448 5582 was used for the Javelin and 5448 5753 for the SC/Rambler.

Although torque links were standard items on AMXs, they were Group 19 parts for the Javelin, SC/Rambler and Gremlin [[and Hornet..and therefore, Spirit and Concord]].

Group 19 also offered a couple of non-mechanical parts. A full front fiberglass spoiler was available for the 1968-'70 AMC and Javelin as part number 364 1522. The spoiler mounted by brackets to the lower fender braces and in the center by a bracket.

The rear deck lid could sport a rear wing (899 2357). The first version did not have any metal end plates attached to the spoiler. Because of problems with the original spoiler, a second version was produced. The Group 19 part and the spoiler used on the 100 Trans Am Javelins produced were made of fiberglass and had a metal end plate attached to each end of the spoiler. The spoiler rode between two metal ''stands'' that attached to the deck-lid.

The Group 19 spoiler had two holes drilled in the bracket so the spoiler could ride in either location.
Group 19 also offered a couple some non-mechanical parts, like a full front fiberglass spoiler and an adjustable rear wing.
Two other spoilers were offered on AMXs and Javelins but they were not Group 19 parts. A stainless steel front spoiler (899 2553) was available on 1968-'70 AMXS and Javelins as an accessory.

The Mark Donohue spoiler was used on 1970 Javelins only and was a regular part. A roof spoiler was also available on the 1969-'70 Javelin only as a regular part.

There was no great mystery about the Group 19 parts, but they have gotten very difficult to find through the years. The spoilers are available in reproduction, but the other parts are "look until you find them" items.
Group 19 parts could only be ordered from the dealer

and could not be special-ordered on a car directly from the factory.


Some of the parts caused minor problems, like not being able to close the hood on your car when it had an R4B and stock air cleaner, no air cleaner available with the Cross Ram and headers that hung too low. But, with the addition of these parts, at least AMC let people know that there was an alternative to Grandma's Rambler!

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Message  Fanamc Mar 23 Fév 2010, 08:20

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AMC rated the SC/Rambler's 390-cubic-inch V-8 at a relatively low 315 hp but with an accompanying 425 lb-ft of torque. Since completing the majority of the restoration in 2000, Jones has piloted his Group 19- enhanced SC/Rambler down the quarter mile in as little as 13.001 seconds at 106 mph (about as quick as a new, $115,000 Audi R8). ...

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Message  427copoz Mar 23 Fév 2010, 08:32

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Message  mustangii Mar 23 Fév 2010, 11:11

ca c'est en donner plus que le client en demande :merci

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Message  BigDan Mar 23 Fév 2010, 11:56

si je me souviens bien , le groupe 19 n`étais pas destiné a la rue !

tout comme les SS AMX ....

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Message  427copoz Mar 23 Fév 2010, 13:07

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autre info sur le group 19

Group 19 Performance Options

Group 19 parts were performance parts that could be ordered on most 1967 and up AMC models. They were ordered by the dealer, and then installed. Although these parts had genuine AMC part numbers cast on them, AMC did not produce these parts.


Other aftermarket manufacturers produced them. Because of this, many customers bought the parts straight from the aftermarket manufacturer because it was cheaper. Many dealers also bought the parts straight from them when ordered by a customer, because they would have more profit with the healthy markup.

Group 19 parts did not catch on too well for a few reasons. One was that installation of these parts voided the 5 year / 50,000 mile warranty. That was a rather big warranty for this era, but AMC had to create customer confidence in their vehicles to keep up with the Big 3. These engines were sturdy, but they were built for passenger vehicles, not racing. Adding more powerful parts to the engines and vehicle itself will cause more wear and tear, and AMC engineers and management worried that mostly young drivers would be adding these parts.

They thought that ‘improper’ driving by younger customers would cause more mechanical problems, and this was the age group that they did not want to get a ‘bad name’ with.

Another extremely irritating problem with racers was the fact that these parts had to be ordered from the dealers, and were not factory installed. Because the parts were not factory installed, they could not legally race in most stock class races, and could not keep up with the Camaro Z-28’s or Mustang Cobra 302’s, which had the performance options factory installed. This put the AMC vehicles in the modified or pure class race, where they would be burnt toasty racing against 427 Corvettes and the like. AMC vehicles could not race well stock, and it took a lot of money and work to reach a performance level in the pure class races.

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